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posted by [personal profile] ladyslvr at 02:02pm on 28/07/2004
Class preparation for Intro to Lit continues, in fact has stepped up because the clock is winding down. I think I've got the novels covered (Main Street by Sinclaire Lewis and American Gods by Neil Gaiman), and I'm just about decided on doing Pygmalion by George Bernard Shaw for the play. The list of short stories is coming together. This leaves only the poems.

Anyone who knows me well will know that the poetry is what makes this whole Intro to Lit thing so humorous. Try as I might, I cannot wrap my brain around pretty much all poetry. My attitude towards poetry in general is pretty bad, save for a handful of poems that I've either had to memorize or have chosen to memorize, and thus have grown to appreciate. IMO, poetry that doesn't rhyme isn't poetry. (For those of you who've read my poetry and have noticed that is almost never rhymes, I'd like to point out that, to me, one of the great mysteries of the universe is why it keeps winning awards.)

One of the aforementioned exceptions to my general loathing of poetry is Leave Youth His Roses by Christina Rosetti. It is an exception preciously because I lifted the title from a book of poetry for a story I was working on, then felt obligated to memorize the poem in its own right. This eventually led to me purchasing a book of Rosetti's poems, which I then left almost unread on my shelf after realizing that the first 15 or so poems sound just like Leave Youth His Roses.

Yesterday I opened up a library book of classic poetry from which I hoped to find pieces I could teach without contempt, and discovered that Rosetti had one included. So I read it. And liked it. Possibly I read it before. I've definitely heard it somewhere before.



When I am dead, my dearest,
Sing no sad songs for me;
Plant thou no roses at my head,
Nor shady cypress tress:
Be the green grass above me
With showers and dewdrops wet:
And if thou wilt, remember,
And if thou wilt, forget.

I shall not see the shadows,
I shall not feel the rain;
I shall not hear the nightingale
Sing on as if in pain:
And dreaming through the twilight
That doth rise nor set,
Haply I may remember,
And haply may forget.


As I'm planning to use it, I went on google to see what is out there, and found that I'm not the only one who has found a use for the piece. Scroll down to the one entitled Poem.

My emotions are all in a twist, but none of them--absolutely none--are sympathy for the woman. This probably makes me a bad person, but I can't help feeling that she's undermining her own case. Gah.
Mood:: 'cynical' cynical
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posted by [identity profile] kellyfaboo.livejournal.com at 12:20pm on 28/07/2004
She's not only on death row, but she's a plagerist.

I finally found a good fit for a writing sample. Only it needs to be restructured, re-written a bit, and the bibliography actually found.

Much better than anything on sexuality and fandom.
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posted by [personal profile] kerravonsen at 01:34pm on 28/07/2004
So, we know she plagiarized one poem, which makes one wonder about the rest of them.
 
posted by [identity profile] ladyslvr.livejournal.com at 04:29pm on 28/07/2004
I wondered about that, too. I ran a couple lines from one of the other poems through google and nothing turned up on that. But, she's clearly shrewd enough to update the language of the poem, so there's no telling what the original form was, assuming that her other poems are also plagarized.

I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for her because she's on Death Row, but if she's lying about this, what else is she lying about?
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posted by [personal profile] kerravonsen at 05:50pm on 28/07/2004
What's worse, it puts the parent site into disrepute, which is rather important to them since they're a political site. Maybe you should write to them and inform them of their credibility problem.
 
posted by [identity profile] ladyslvr.livejournal.com at 06:46pm on 28/07/2004
Great minds.

I started to write an email to the parent site, then couldn't figure out what to say that didn't sound ridiculous given that the woman is on death row.
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posted by [personal profile] kerravonsen at 09:18pm on 28/07/2004
You mean like look, this woman is a liar as well as a murderer does sound rather pointless...
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posted by [personal profile] kerravonsen at 01:37pm on 28/07/2004
As for poetry in general, I'm not a poetry-must-rhyme Philistine (pokes out tongue) -- but I'm hypocritical to this degree; that I'm generally more interested in writing it than reading it. But then my non-fannish poems tend to be cathartic in nature, so that explains that...
 
posted by [identity profile] trinalin.livejournal.com at 05:13pm on 28/07/2004
A great poem to include in a Lit class would be "Phenomenal Woman" by Maya Angelou. Then again, Angelou is a goddess. :-) (The poem is best enjoyed by listening to her reading it.)

Other than that, my favorite poetry tends to be stuff by Lewis Carroll, Roald Dahl, or other similar things. (And I once had almost the entirety of "The Pied Piper of Hamelin" by Robert Browning memorized. I still have a fair amount of it that I can rattle off.)
 
posted by [identity profile] ladyslvr.livejournal.com at 05:20pm on 28/07/2004
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into the Angelou piece. I need something more modern, yet keep running into that whole "it must rhyme to be poetry" roadblock.

I love Carroll. I memorized "The Walrus and the Carpenter" last winter break just because.

I've read at least one of Dahl's books (The BFG) but am otherwise unfamiliar with his corpus. Any particular recommendations?

Right now I have a couple pieces by e e cummings and T.S. Elliot's "The Hollow Men" and that's about it.
 
posted by [identity profile] trinalin.livejournal.com at 06:15pm on 28/07/2004
Maya's definitely modern. Isn't she still our Poet Laureate? She was at one time, I believe.

I think my favorite Dahl poetry came from James and the Giant Peach. The Centipede's song sticks out in my mind. But most of his stuff is best for younger kids (you know, like me... heh.)

My best exposure to T.S. Elliot is Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats. And you could see if the uni will pay for all your students to go see Cats as a tie-in. (Heh - yeah, right!)

Paul Lawrence Dunbar is another poet that I've heard a lot about - he's somewhat modern and Wright State named its library after him. Alas, I know none of his poetry.

BTW, in the short stories, have you chosen Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery"? Always liked that one. ;-)
 
posted by [identity profile] ladyslvr.livejournal.com at 06:56pm on 28/07/2004
She was. I don't believe she is anymore.

Billy Collins was our Poet Laureate a couple years ago. I studied him in uni and utterly failed to figure out the allure. His poetry reads to me like formulaic prose with odd line breaks.

And you could see if the uni will pay....

The uni paying for anything is laughable enough. Even if they agreed, there'd still be the issue of where to go to see Cats. I don't think they'd be willing to fly us to New York.

...have you chosen Shirley Jackson's...

Not yet. I'm waiting for my copy of the textbook to come through so I can see what is already in it. I assume "The Lottery" will be simply because it's so ubiqitious. That one struck a nerve with me, too. The only short story I'm sure about so far is "The Story of an Hour" by Kate Chopin. I want to find something by HP Lovecraft, perhaps "The Call of Cthulhu". Other than those two, the first of which may even be in the text, I'm going to stick largely with what the text provides.

My taste in fiction is so non-mainstream that I'm really trying to tone down my impulses so I don't scare my university. Still, I'm not eliminating all the weird (hence the Gaiman and Lovecraft) :)
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posted by [personal profile] kerravonsen at 05:53pm on 28/07/2004
Rats! They chased the dogs and killed the cats
and bit the babies in their cradles
broke into the kegs of salted sprats
and licked the soup from the cooks' own ladles...

Funny how these things stick with you. That was from primary school. Yes, I definitely give "The Pied Piper of Hamelin" a vote!

 
posted by [identity profile] trinalin.livejournal.com at 06:20pm on 28/07/2004
Have you seen Faerie Tale Theatre's version of "The Pied Piper"? Eric Idle plays both Robert Browning narrating the poem (to Willy, of course) and the Pied Piper. It's brilliant. It's how I became a fan of the poem and of Idle. :-)

"So Willy, let's you and me be wipers
Of scores out with all men - especially pipers
And whether they pipe us free from rats or from mice
If we've promised them aught, let us keep our promise."
 
posted by [identity profile] latimer84.livejournal.com at 11:02am on 29/07/2004
Wow, American Gods! I'd love to have read that in class. As for poetry, what about Emily Dickinson? She rocks hardcore. (I even have a keychain.)
 
posted by [identity profile] ladyslvr.livejournal.com at 11:51am on 29/07/2004
I'm not a Dickinson fan, though I probably should include her since she's considered a significant poet.

Do you have any favorite pieces?
 
posted by [identity profile] latimer84.livejournal.com at 12:52pm on 29/07/2004
Some of my favorites are "This is my letter to the world" and "Because I could not stop for death," which are both pretty famous. If you can wait until I'm back home, I can look in my book and see which ones I've marked.
 
posted by [identity profile] ladyslvr.livejournal.com at 01:23pm on 29/07/2004
I can wait. Classes don't start until Sept 3rd, and I don't need a finalized syllabus then. As long as I go into the semester knowing what to do through October break, I'll be in good shape.

Thanks for the suggestions. If you have more, I'm listening :)
 
posted by [identity profile] tptigger.livejournal.com at 08:36pm on 02/08/2004
...have your students sing the Dickenson poems to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas".

Man, I wanna watch "Day of the Dead" (Neil Gaimen B5 ep) now. I'll either have to find where it's hiding on the tapes or get the DVDs. Oh. Sliders, en route. Guess it's the tape. ;)

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